Comments on: My #1 Challenge with being both gay and Catholic http://www.gayandcatholic.net/my-1-challenge-with-being-gay-catholic/ One man, one journy. Living his life as a gay Catholic man. Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:53:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mikey http://www.gayandcatholic.net/my-1-challenge-with-being-gay-catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-1468 Mikey Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:43:15 +0000 http://www.gayandcatholic.net/?p=197#comment-1468 at the 4pm Mass today, I opened the Missal and I found this text out of a coincidence, it say: First Reading [Wisdom 1.13-15;2.23-24] God did not make death, and he does not delight in the in the death of the living. For he created all things so that they might exist; the generative forces of the world are wholesome, and there is no destructive poison in them. at the 4pm Mass today, I opened the Missal and I found this text out of a coincidence, it say:
First Reading [Wisdom 1.13-15;2.23-24]

God did not make death,
and he does not delight in the in the death of the living.
For he created all things so that they might exist;
the generative forces of the world are wholesome,
and there is no destructive poison in them.

]]> By: Mikey http://www.gayandcatholic.net/my-1-challenge-with-being-gay-catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-1458 Mikey Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:30:15 +0000 http://www.gayandcatholic.net/?p=197#comment-1458 It is not easy for many reasons; first, the life's experience we have of the world, is through that reality of being gay (althougth many are trying to minimize it, it is an important aspect of your person, because it affect everything else from affection, love, friendship, interaction with others, and above all, it does have an impact on the level of happiness) We do not experience this life the same as someone who would be straight, because the world doesn't revolve around gays. I'm of the conviction that gays are born gays, God love us just the way we are, it is what it is. It would be an insult to God to not love ourselves the way we are, but by trying to point out that because we're gays, something is wrong with the way we are. God doesn't make mistake. Love is love. Now, with the Catholic Church, I have been and seen many situations in which I was treated like a nobody only because of my sexual orientation. I do know that in general, gays are treated more harshly than with compassion and friendship. This cause those who are gays, to stay away from the Catholic Church and to not have the guts to stand up for their faith. But there's something to not forget: 1) Jesus love us immensely, 2) wether or not a priest or some people in your parish doesn't like gays, shouldn't stop someone from being a Catholic and 3) it is about OURSELVES and JESUS, so if someone doesn't like it, it is their problem. 4) you can still be gay and attending Mass, just keep to yourself. 5) You can be gay, Catholic and happy too. It is a cross and we need Jesus. About the gay scene, myself I've been to a gay bar for a few years. There were lots of drama of course, and because I was shy, I would stay at the cash bar mostly talking with the bartender, and waiting until someone would chat with me. Nobody followed or were into sport, but that didn't bother me, I was more interested on the quality of the person I was talking with. But it is a very much world self-centered on itself, in which you always have to look cute, have the latest designers clothes, in top shape etc. It's as if these guys are in a perpetual state of dating or should I say, hook up. And that is very sad, because a lots of important aspects of life is wasted here. Hooking up will cause trust issues with guys over time, it will lead to dysfunctional relations with others, and living life as if we're detached from others and what is going on around us. This happens because most gays, didn't develop or took care of the ability to have meaningful friends. But to conclude, it's more about us and Jesus. It was never the gay scene or what others thought about us. We all need to be love, and loved. This is pretty much universal. We all need companionship to have a healthy balanced life. I don't think I can live my life focused on me only. That would be depressing. I agree with you that if we want to find someone compatible, that share our faith - and let's face it, I don't want to deal with a gay that doesn't like the fact I have faith and think I'm nuts - I don't have the time for that, life is too short, it's drama again. And my faith is very very important, it's No.1, it is the reason why I'm here today. I'm sure there's others gays Catholics around, but how important is it to them? Does it mean something? Do they pray? Faith does define a person, his action, the way they treat you, the intention of the heart (are they just horny or do they love you because you as a whole, because you're a cool, interesting, fun, caring guy); Many gays lack social graces :) too bad. Again, this is just my opinion. Mikey It is not easy for many reasons; first, the life’s experience we have of the world, is through that reality of being gay (althougth many are trying to minimize it, it is an important aspect of your person, because it affect everything else from affection, love, friendship, interaction with others, and above all, it does have an impact on the level of happiness) We do not experience this life the same as someone who would be straight, because the world doesn’t revolve around gays.

I’m of the conviction that gays are born gays, God love us just the way we are, it is what it is. It would be an insult to God to not love ourselves the way we are, but by trying to point out that because we’re gays, something is wrong with the way we are. God doesn’t make mistake. Love is love. Now, with the Catholic Church, I have been and seen many situations in which I was treated like a nobody only because of my sexual orientation. I do know that in general, gays are treated more harshly than with compassion and friendship. This cause those who are gays, to stay away from the Catholic Church and to not have the guts to stand up for their faith. But there’s something to not forget: 1) Jesus love us immensely, 2) wether or not a priest or some people in your parish doesn’t like gays, shouldn’t stop someone from being a Catholic and 3) it is about OURSELVES and JESUS, so if someone doesn’t like it, it is their problem. 4) you can still be gay and attending Mass, just keep to yourself. 5) You can be gay, Catholic and happy too. It is a cross and we need Jesus.

About the gay scene, myself I’ve been to a gay bar for a few years. There were lots of drama of course, and because I was shy, I would stay at the cash bar mostly talking with the bartender, and waiting until someone would chat with me. Nobody followed or were into sport, but that didn’t bother me, I was more interested on the quality of the person I was talking with. But it is a very much world self-centered on itself, in which you always have to look cute, have the latest designers clothes, in top shape etc. It’s as if these guys are in a perpetual state of dating or should I say, hook up. And that is very sad, because a lots of important aspects of life is wasted here. Hooking up will cause trust issues with guys over time, it will lead to dysfunctional relations with others, and living life as if we’re detached from others and what is going on around us. This happens because most gays, didn’t develop or took care of the ability to have meaningful friends.

But to conclude, it’s more about us and Jesus. It was never the gay scene or what others thought about us.

We all need to be love, and loved. This is pretty much universal. We all need companionship to have a healthy balanced life. I don’t think I can live my life focused on me only. That would be depressing.

I agree with you that if we want to find someone compatible, that share our faith – and let’s face it, I don’t want to deal with a gay that doesn’t like the fact I have faith and think I’m nuts – I don’t have the time for that, life is too short, it’s drama again. And my faith is very very important, it’s No.1, it is the reason why I’m here today.

I’m sure there’s others gays Catholics around, but how important is it to them? Does it mean something? Do they pray? Faith does define a person, his action, the way they treat you, the intention of the heart (are they just horny or do they love you because you as a whole, because you’re a cool, interesting, fun, caring guy); Many gays lack social graces :) too bad. Again, this is just my opinion.

Mikey

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